Share Your Thoughts With Test E Dosing

[MajorMelon]

I just read the awesome article posted by F.I.S.T. about protein and collagen synthesis. My plan was to do a long cycle with a 4 week prime in the middle where I drop down to a base dose of test (150mg a week). Here was my original plan:
Week 1-8: Test E 600mg/wk
Deca 420mg/wk
Dbol 25mg/day (wk 5-8)
Week 9-12: PRIME Test C 150mg/wk
Last 10 days low dose DNP
Week 13-20: Test E 600mg/wk
Tren E 500mg/wk
Week 21 and on: Stay on 200mg of both Test C and Masteron E

As of right now I am starting week 7 and I love the synergistic effect of adding the Dbol in the middle vs the beginning. Incredible strength gains. My questions now after reading the article is 1: after my prime can I stay on low dose test, say at 250mg a week while keeping the Tren at 500mg? There should be apparent less estro sides but my next question 2: will the libido be ok? As of now I am taking caber at .25 twice a week, adex at .25 eod, and my new favorite proviron at 25mg a day and sex drive is through the roof, but will it remain there with lower test doses. I may be able to stop my AI use with the lower test dose, which would be nice.
In a nutshell is it ok for me to lower my test dose after starting this cycle and will it effect my libido?

[ozzy69]

id keep the test the same level as the tren, the libido is all dependent on the person

[Chicken_Hawk]

If you are running long esters than during your PRIME phase they will self taper and not totally leave your system as you know. So, 600mg of a thing will cut roughly in half by the end of a week to 300mg still in the system...and so on. Now, I would keep my prime to two weeks so my levels do not get too low and IMHO 3 weeks is unnecessary and would turn a positive into a negative. (I may sound smart, but I ran this all by Dat, just don't ask me to find it). I would keep my anti E's high to combat rebound and you will do fine.

Regarding sex drive, I am always fine during my two off weeks although it varies according to compounds.

Hawk

[MajorMelon]

id keep the test the same level as the tren, the libido is all dependent on the person

This is what I was always thought to believe until I read the article I mentioned above. It was drilled into my head "always use test as a base for every cycle", and keep the test atleast the same dose as additional AS. What is your reason behind your answer?

[MajorMelon]

If you are running long esters than during your PRIME phase they will self taper and not totally leave your system as you know. So, 600mg of a thing will cut roughly in half by the end of a week to 300mg still in the system...and so on. Now, I would keep my prime to two weeks so my levels do not get too low and IMHO 3 weeks is unnecessary and would turn a positive into a negative. (I may sound smart, but I ran this all by Dat, just don't ask me to find it). I would keep my anti E's high to combat rebound and you will do fine.

Regarding sex drive, I am always fine during my two off weeks although it varies according to compounds.

Hawk

So my two week prime I will drop all compounds but keep on the AI's? How about your opinion of lower dosed test? That article pretty much says that 600mg is overkill. Thoughts? It would make a vial last much much longer.

[LITTLEMAGS]

So my two week prime I will drop all compounds but keep on the AI's? How about your opinion of lower dosed test? That article pretty much says that 600mg is overkill. Thoughts? It would make a vial last much much longer.

yes...KEEP the AI's. I personally have better luck with lower dosed test BUT using more consistent. (IE prop) I dont run nearly as much but pinning is more often and sometimes a pain.

[Chicken_Hawk]

This is what I was always thought to believe until I read the article I mentioned above. It was drilled into my head "always use test as a base for every cycle", and keep the test atleast the same dose as additional AS. What is your reason behind your answer?

For some reason I can not multi quote so I will do this one at a time.

You use test as a base because while all AAS will shut your own production of T down, only the real deal will replace all the good things that testosterone dose in your body. Example: take only deca and you shut down your T production, but lose the androgenic effects of your own T, ie sex drive and igf production etc...

My advice is to run T as high as you dare and feel comfortable.

Hawk

[Chicken_Hawk]

So my two week prime I will drop all compounds but keep on the AI's? How about your opinion of lower dosed test? That article pretty much says that 600mg is overkill. Thoughts? It would make a vial last much much longer.

I find that a 4 week Prime/Cruise is overkill if the idea is 1. most mass in a given time and 2. the idea is to set u up for another cycle. Two weeks is plenty for the body to rebound from a sudden drop in AAS use and be primed for a new cycle. If I were to do 4 weeks I would add T for the last two weeks atleast and here is why.

This is way oversimplified:
Let's say Test E and Tren E have a half life of 7 days, so every 7 days after you stop the amount in your body reduces in half. Ie. if you are running 600mg EW, after 1 week you have 300mg in your body and after 2 you will have 150mg and so on. So by week 3 and 4 your body would be in serious estrogen rebound and low on androgens and that would be the time to add some T if you were doing 4 weeks.

Also, after you lower/drop aas your estrogen to Test ration is going to go haywire, with estrogen climbing and test lowering, which is why AI's are critical. Letro might even be a good choice at this point, but I have always run adex @.5mg ED.

Hawk